A teacher doesn't have to be smart—just brighter than the student.
As a teacher Jesus gave his own services freely.
The blonde teacher was staring at her.
I am going to have a Christmas tree, in the parlor and teacher will hang all of my gifts upon it.
I do pretty good at most stuff and the teacher is nice enough but Janet doesn't like her.
My school-teacher said so; and she knows a lot, Jim.
In 1666 he was appointed teacher of 'medicine at Mainz and body-physician to the archbishop-elector; and the same year he was made councillor of commerce (Commerzienrat) at Vienna, where he had gained the powerful support of Albrecht, Count Zinzendorf, prime minister and grand chamberlain of the emperor Leopold I.
Above all things Thenard was a teacher; as he himself said, the professor, the assistants, the laboratory - everything must be sacrificed to the students.
He supported himself as a teacher of Greek, first at Verona and afterwards in Venice and Florence; in 1436 he became, through the patronage of Lionel, marquis of Este, professor of Greek at Ferrara; and in 1438 and following years he acted as interpreter for the Greeks at the councils of Ferrara and Florence.
Some one was drawing water and my teacher placed my hand under the spout.
But when my teacher presented me with a canary, my cup of happiness overflowed.
I send you with this letter a pretty book which my teacher thinks will interest you, and my picture.
Now Wagner's excellent teacher Weinlig did certainly, as Wagner himself testifies, teach him more of good music than Beethoven, Haydn and Mozart could have seen in their youth; for he showed him Beethoven.
Teacher says she can see Venus from our window, and it is a large and beautiful star.
His feelings towards Sarah resembled those toward his older sister, Emily, whom he idolized as a caregiver, teacher, and confident.
Though his income was never large, and during the greater part of his life was very meagre, he contrived to find means to support his foster-mother in her old age, to educate the children of his first teacher, and to help various deserving students during their college career.
He studied at Phillips Andover Academy, Andover, Massachusetts, and entered Yale, but left in his junior year (1857) to accept a position as a teacher of shorthand in the St Louis, Missouri, public schools.
The teacher answered, "I know of no man who is more honored than yourself."
After my teacher, Miss Sullivan, came to me, I sought an early opportunity to lock her in her room.
My teacher is so near to me that I scarcely think of myself apart from her.
As if it were yesterday I remember the preparations, the departure with my teacher and my mother, the journey, and finally the arrival in Boston.
Then my teacher went to visit some friends in Boston, leaving me for a short time.
As we hastened through the long grass toward the hammock, the grasshoppers swarmed about us and fastened themselves on our clothes, and I remember that my teacher insisted upon picking them all off before we sat down, which seemed to me an unnecessary waste of time.
I cannot know about many things, when my dear teacher is not here.
An attack of the ague sent him home, and on recovery, having resolved to attend a high school and fit himself to become a teacher, he passed the next four years in a hard struggle with poverty and in an earnest effort to secure an education, studying for a short time in the Geauga Seminary atChester, Ohio.
The most important day I remember in all my life is the one on which my teacher, Anne Mansfield Sullivan, came to me.
My teacher, realizing this, determined to supply the kinds of stimulus I lacked.
My Mother and teacher send you and Mrs. Hale their kind greetings and Mildred sends you a kiss.
At eleven I talk with teacher and at twelve I study zoology.
Mr. Wade wants teacher and me to come and see him next spring.
So are your Father and your Mother and your Teacher and all your friends.
Teacher said yesterday, that perhaps Mrs. Spaulding would be willing to let us have her beautiful house, and [I] thought I would ask you about it.
Teacher and I are always delighted to hear from you.
This was the surprise--I was to have the pleasure of taking my dear teacher to see Niagara Falls!...
HERMAGORAS, of Temnos, Greek rhetorician of the Rhodian school and teacher of oratory in Rome, flourished during the first half of the 1st century B.C. He obtained a great reputation among a certain section and founded a special school, the members of which called themselves Hermagorei.
But his progress was so rapid that in two or three years he was able to take his master's place at the lecture-table, and Fourcroy and Vauquelin were so satisfied with his performance that they procured for him a school appointment in 1797 as teacher of chemistry, and in 1798 one as repetiteur at the Ecole Polytechnique.
Probably the bishop was jealous of the high reputation of the teacher; and a coolness arose between them which led, fifteen years later, to an open rupture.
Save for the barest rudiments of reading and writing, he tells us that he had no master; yet we find him at Verona in 1521 an esteemed teacher of mathematics.
We may, however, notice Heinrich Rose i and Friedrich WShler, 2 who, having worked up the results of their teacher Berzelius, and combined them with their own valuable observations, exerted great influence on the progress of analytical chemistry by publishing works which contained admirable accounts of the then known methods of analysis.
"Well," said the teacher, "you can write words, can you not?"
It was my teacher who unfolded and developed them.
I knew the gifts I already had were not those of which friends had thrown out such tantalizing hints, and my teacher said the presents I was to have would be even nicer than these.
Teacher told me about kind gentleman I shall be glad to read pretty story I do read stories in my book about tigers and lions and sheep.
Teacher bought me a lovely new dress and gloves and stockings and collars and grandmother made me warm flannels, and aunt Nannie made me aprons.
Friday teacher and I went to a picnic with little children.
I help mother and teacher water them every night before supper.
Mother and teacher and Mrs. Hopkins and Mr. Anagnos and Mr. Rodocanachi and many other friends went to Plymouth to see many old things.
My teacher says, if children learn to be patient and gentle while they are little, that when they grow to be young ladies and gentlemen they will not forget to be kind and loving and brave.
Like a good many of Helen Keller's early letters, this to her French teacher is her re-phrasing of a story.
Teacher and I are the only babies left for Mrs. Hopkins to care for.
My teacher told me Tuesday that you wanted to know how I came to wish to talk with my mouth.
We found the boat and the transfer carriage with much less difficulty than teacher expected.
Teacher is well and sends her kind remembrance to you.
She wanted him brought to Boston, and when she was told that money would be needed to get him a teacher, she answered, "We will raise it."
Before a teacher was found for Tommy and while he was still in the care of Helen and Miss Sullivan, a reception was held for him at the kindergarten.
When the Perkins Institution closed in June, Helen and her teacher went south to Tuscumbia, where they remained until December.
You remember teacher and I told you Sunday that I wanted to have a little tea in aid of the kindergarten.
I remember perfectly when my dear teacher came to me.
But teacher came to me and taught my little fingers to use the beautiful key that has unlocked the door of my dark prison and set my spirit free.
Sometimes we sat in the hammock, and teacher read to me.
I have a very pretty little cart now, and if it ever stops raining teacher and I are going to drive every evening.
You must have wondered why your letter has not had an answer, and perhaps you have thought Teacher and me very naughty indeed.
I think we, Teacher, and my father and little sister, and myself, will visit Washington next March!!!
TO MRS. KATE ADAMS KELLER South Boston, April 13, 1893. ...Teacher, Mrs. Pratt and I very unexpectedly decided to take a journey with dear Dr. Bell Mr. Westervelt, a gentleman whom father met in Washington, has a school for the deaf in Rochester.
When the reception was over we went back to the hotel and teacher slept quite unconscious of the surprise which was in store for her.
Mr. Bell and I planned it together, and Mr. Bell made all the arrangements before we told teacher anything about it.
Teacher said I was a little traitor.
Dr. Humason, Teacher, and I left the others at the Dog Show and went to a reception given by the "Metropolitan Club."...
TO MRS. KATE ADAMS KELLER New York, March 31, 1895. ...Teacher and I spent the afternoon at Mr. Hutton's, and had a most delightful time!...
Teacher said she thought he looked something like Paradeuski.
After we had had our breakfast, Teacher asked one of the train-men in the station if the New York train was made up.
He said no, it would not be called for about fifteen minutes; so we sat down to wait; but in a moment the man came back and asked Teacher if we would like to go to the train at once.
Teacher has read me his lively stories about his boyhood, and I enjoyed them greatly.
Teacher seems to feel benefitted by the change too; for she is already beginning to look like her dear old self.
Teacher and Mrs. Hopkins both say you must come as soon as you can!
Teacher and I spent nine days at Philadelphia.
This year is going to be a very busy one for Teacher and myself.
But it is harder for Teacher than it is for me because the strain on her poor eyes is so great, and I cannot help worrying about them.
July 9, 1897. ...Teacher and I are going to spend the summer at Wrentham, Mass. with our friends, the Chamberlins.
My teacher and other friends think I could ride a Columbia tandem in the country with perfect safety.
I ride with a divided skirt, and so does my teacher; but it would be easier for her to mount a man's wheel than for me; so, if it could be arranged to have the ladies' seat behind, I think it would be better....
Poor Teacher has had her hands full, attending to movers, and express-men, and all sorts of people.
My teacher and I had a good laugh over the girls' frolic.
I think Mr. Keith is a wonderful teacher, and I feel very grateful to him for having made me see the beauty of Mathematics.
Next to my own dear teacher, he has done more than any one else to enrich and broaden my mind.
We shall all live together in a small cottage on one of the lakes at Wrentham, while my dear teacher takes a much needed rest.
The other day, I met a deaf Norwegian gentleman, who knows Ragnhild Kaata and her teacher very well, and we had a very interesting conversation about her.
They would not allow Teacher to read any of the papers to me; so the papers were copied for me in braille.
Consequently, I did not do so well as I should have done, if Teacher had been allowed to read the Algebra and Geometry to me.
In the German class Miss Sullivan interpreted to me as well as she could what the teacher said.
In French Teacher is reading "Columba" to me.
Teacher too has a silk dress.
I do not think I have told you that my dear teacher is reading "The Faery Queen" to me.
However Mr. Bell suggested that--and all her friends who are interested in her scheme should organize an association for the promotion of the education of the deaf and blind, Teacher and myself being included of course.
We clapped our hands and shouted;--went away beaming with pleasure, and Teacher and I felt more light of heart than we had for sometime.
Her parents are very anxious indeed to find a teacher for her.
But Miss Watkins seems to be just the kind of teacher she needs.
A gentleman in Philadelphia has just written to my teacher about a deaf and blind child in Paris, whose parents are Poles.
She cannot know in detail how she was taught, and her memory of her childhood is in some cases an idealized memory of what she has learned later from her teacher and others.
Then her teacher calls her an incorrigible little sermonizer, and she laughs at herself.
Helen Keller became so rapidly a distinctive personality that she kept her teacher in a breathless race to meet the needs of her pupil, with no time or strength to make a scientific study.
As soon as a thing was done, a definite goal passed, the teacher did not always look back and describe the way she had come.
Although Miss Sullivan is still rather amused than distressed when some one, even one of her friends, makes mistakes in published articles about her and Miss Keller, still she sees that Miss Keller's book should include all the information that the teacher could at present furnish.
When Captain Keller applied to the director for a teacher, Mr. Anagnos recommended her.
Mr. Anagnos wrote in the report of the Perkins Institution, dated November 27, 1888: At my urgent request, Helen, accompanied by her mother and her teacher, came to the North in the last week of May, and spent several months with us as our guests....
Mr. Wilson, a teacher at Florence, and a friend of the Kellers', studied at Harvard the summer before and went to the Perkins Institution to learn if anything could be done for his friend's child.
Let him go and come freely, let him touch real things and combine his impressions for himself, instead of sitting indoors at a little round table, while a sweet-voiced teacher suggests that he build a stone wall with his wooden blocks, or make a rainbow out of strips of coloured paper, or plant straw trees in bead flower-pots.
I need a teacher quite as much as Helen.
Teacher is sad, and let her feel the grieved expression on my face.
When she drops stitches she says, "Helen wrong, teacher will cry."
She laughed and said, Teacher is wrong.
I doubt if any teacher ever had a work of such absorbing interest.
Now he wants a picture "of darling Helen and her illustrious teacher, to grace the pages of the forthcoming annual report."
I got up, washed my face and hands, combed my hair, picked three dew violets for Teacher and ate my breakfast.
Teacher will say, We are silly.
The teacher was writing on the blackboard: The girl's name is Helen.
If she was eating some candy, I said: "Will Helen please give teacher some candy?" or, "Teacher would like to eat some of Helen's candy," emphasizing the 's. She very soon perceived that the same idea could be expressed in a great many ways.
If she was eating some candy, I said: "Will Helen please give teacher some candy?" or, "Teacher would like to eat some of Helen's candy," emphasizing the 's. She very soon perceived that the same idea could be expressed in a great many ways.
Soon after I became her teacher Helen broke her new doll, of which she was very fond.
I said to her, "Teacher is SORRY."
This morning teacher and I sat by the window and we saw a little boy walking on the sidewalk.
Teacher and I went to ride on Tennessee River, in a boat.
We climbed high hill and teacher fell and hurt her head.
I am tired, and teacher does not want me to write more.
You must remember, dear teacher, that Greek parents were very particular with their children, and they used to let them listen to wise words, and I think they understood some of them.
In the same way she played with Latin, learning not only from the lessons her first Latin teacher gave her, but from going over and over the words of a text, a game she played by herself.
It is true that a teacher with ten times Miss Sullivan's genius could not have made a pupil so remarkable as Helen Keller out of a child born dull and mentally deficient.
And it can be applied by any teacher to any healthy deaf child, and in the broadest interpretation of the principles, can be applied to the teaching of language of all kinds to all children.
There is, then, a good deal that Miss Sullivan has done for Miss Keller which no other teacher can do in just the same way for any one else.
And the one to do it is the parent or the special teacher, not the school.
Surely Dr. Howe is wrong when he says, "A teacher cannot be a child."
That is just what the teacher of the deaf child must be, a child ready to play and romp, and interested in all childish things.
And finally all the conditions were good for that first nature school, in which the teacher and pupil played together, exploring together and educating themselves, pupil and teacher inseparable.
At the time when I became her teacher, she had made for herself upward of sixty signs, all of which were imitative and were readily understood by those who knew her.
Enough appears in the accounts by Miss Keller's teacher to show the process by which she reads the lips with her fingers, the process by which she was taught to speak, and by which, of course, she can listen to conversation now.
Any teacher of composition knows that he can bring his pupils to the point of writing without errors in syntax or in the choice of words.
No teacher could have made Helen Keller sensitive to the beauties of language and to the finer interplay of thought which demands expression in melodious word groupings.
Her service as a teacher of English is not to be measured by her own skill in composition.
Teacher and I have just returned from our walk.
Teacher says it was a day-dream, and she thinks you would be delighted to hear it.
This morning I took a bath, and when teacher came upstairs to comb my hair she told me some very sad news which made me unhappy all day.
She could not remember that any one had ever read to her any stories about King Frost, but said she had talked with her teacher about Jack Frost and the wonderful things he did.
Writing of the moment when she learned that everything has a name, she says: We met the nurse carrying my little cousin; and teacher spelled 'baby.'
I do not remember what they all were; but I do know that MOTHER, FATHER, SISTER and TEACHER were among them.
I met Teacher in the hall, and begged to be taken to the sea at once.
As Informator scolarium, teacher of the scholars of the college, for the quarter beginning on the 24th of June 1430 (Win.
He then returned to Pavia, where he pursued his studies at the university under Francesco Brioschi, and determined to seek a career as teacher of mathematics.
The first public teacher of Cartesian views was Henri Renery, a Belgian, who at Deventer and afterwards at Utrecht had introduced the new philosophy which he had learned Spread of from personal intercourse with Descartes.
When their merits are fully recognized, it will be found that his worth, as a teacher of his countrymen, extends far beyond his own generation.
The first newspaper, The 1 Emma Hart was born in Berlin, Connecticut, became a teacher in 1803, and in 1809 married Dr John Willard of Middlebury.
In 1750 he was appointed by a wealthy silk-merchant, Isaac Bernhard, as teacher to his children.
He was a great Hebrew teacher: his Grammar of the Hebrew Language (1861, revised 1888) was a distinct improvement in method on Gesenius, Roediger, Ewald and Nordheimer.
Rather it was implicitly contained in the Torah, and the duty of the teacher was to show this.
1340) was the author of a very popular commentary on the Pentateuch and of religious discourses entitled Kad ha-gemalz, in both of which, unlike his teacher, he made large use of the Kabbalah.
At their head was Gregory, the Patriarch; a layman, said later to be Rockycana's nephew; in Michael Bradacius, the priest of Senftenberg, they found a spiritual teacher; and fresh recruits came streaming in, not only from the other little societies at Kremsir, Meseritsch, Chelcic, Wilenow and Diwischau, but also from the Waldenses, the Adamites, the Utraquist Church at KOniggratz, and the university of Prague They called themselves Jednota Bratrska, i.e.
There the tablets of "the soul of the most holy ancestral teacher, Confucius," and of his ten principal disciples stand as objects of worship for their countless followers.
The son graduated at Brown University in 1826, was a teacher at Braintree for two years, and in 1831 graduated from Andover theological seminary.
From 1860 to 1870 he was professor of history at the faculty of letters at Strassburg, where he had a brilliant career as a teacher, but never yielded to the influence exercised by the German universities in the field of classical and Germanic antiquities.
After the death of her father in 1767 she obtained permission to learn millinery and dressmaking with a view to earning her bread, but continued to assist her mother in the management of the household until the autumn of 1772, when she joined her brother William, who had established himself as a teacher of music at Bath.
Fortunately at Arbois he came under the influence of an excellent teacher in the person of the director of the college, who must have discerned in the quiet boy the germs of greatness, as he constantly spoke to him of his future career at the Ecole normale in Paris.
As a teacher of legislation he inquires Of all institutions whether their utility justifies their existence.
Here again his activity as a teacher was interrupted by frequent journeys.
We have already seen that De Blainville, though fully persuaded of the great value of sternal features as a method of classification, had been compelled to fall back upon the old pedal characters so often employed before; but now the scholar had learnt to excel his teacher, and not only to form an at least provisional arrangement of the various members of the Class, based on sternal characters, but to describe these characters at some length, and so give a reason for the faith that was in him.
The only teacher whom he respected was a certain Petrus de Maharncuria Picardus, or of Picardy, probably identical with a certain mathematician, Petrus Peregrinus of Picardy, who is perhaps the author of a MS. treatise, De Magnete, contained in the Bibliotheque Imperiale at Paris.
He entered upon his work here as a theological teacher in 1811; and in 1812 he became a professor.
He is described as the eighth leader of the Pythagorean school, and was a pupil (not the teacher, as some have maintained) of Philolaus.
He was a powerful preacher and teacher, who broke from Calvinism in denying imputation and teaching perfect freedom of the will, by which perfect holiness might be attained.
Next year he became head master of Westminster, where his reputation as a teacher soon became great.
Even in the days before my teacher came, I used to feel along the square stiff boxwood hedges, and, guided by the sense of smell would find the first violets and lilies.
I do not remember when I first realized that I was different from other people; but I knew it before my teacher came to me.
The morning after my teacher came she led me into her room and gave me a doll.
But my teacher had been with me several weeks before I understood that everything has a name.
I felt my teacher sweep the fragments to one side of the hearth, and I had a sense of satisfaction that the cause of my discomfort was removed.
I do not remember what they all were; but I do know that mother, father, sister, teacher were among them--words that were to make the world blossom for me, "like Aaron's rod, with flowers."
One day my teacher and I were returning from a long ramble.
Again I asked my teacher, "Is this not love?"
As soon as I could spell a few words my teacher gave me slips of cardboard on which were printed words in raised letters.
After I had learned a great many interesting things about the life and habits of the children of the sea--how in the midst of dashing waves the little polyps build the beautiful coral isles of the Pacific, and the foraminifera have made the chalk-hills of many a land--my teacher read me "The Chambered Nautilus," and showed me that the shell-building process of the mollusks is symbolical of the development of the mind.
Just before the Perkins Institution closed for the summer, it was arranged that my teacher and I should spend our vacation at Brewster, on Cape Cod, with our dear friend, Mrs. Hopkins.
I represent my teacher as saying to me of the golden autumn leaves, "Yes, they are beautiful enough to comfort us for the flight of summer"--an idea direct from Miss Canby's story.
I wrote timidly, fearfully, but resolutely, urged on by my teacher, who knew that if I persevered, I should find my mental foothold again and get a grip on my faculties.
One day my teacher found me in a corner of the library poring over the pages of "The Scarlet Letter."
The hammock was covered with pine needles, for it had not been used while my teacher was away.
She is always doing something to make some one happy, and her generosity and wise counsel have never failed my teacher and me in all the years we have known her.
I and teacher did go to church sunday mr. lane did read in book and talk Lady did play organ.
I and mother and teacher will go to Boston in June.
Teacher did tear her dress.
Teacher bought me lovely new dress and cap and aprons.
Teacher and I went to Memphis to see aunt Nannie and grandmother.
Teacher and I went to walk in the yard, and I learned about how flowers and trees grow.
Teacher and I had a lovely time with many kind friends.
Will you please ask my father to come to train to meet teacher and me?
Teacher is writing letters to her friends.
I should like to send a kiss to Vittorio, the little prince of Naples, but teacher says she is afraid you will not remember so many messages.
Shall you be very glad to see my teacher next Thursday?
During the summer Miss Sullivan was away from Helen for three months and a half, the first separation of teacher and pupil.
Teacher has been sick in bed for many days.
I hope I have written my letter nicely, but it is very difficult to write on this paper and teacher is not here to give me better.
I tried to make sounds like my little playmates, but teacher told me that the voice was very delicate and sensitive and that it would injure it to make incorrect sounds, and promised to take me to see a kind and wise lady who would teach me rightly.
Teacher sends you her kind remembrances, and father and mother also send their regards.
Teacher is going to see if it can be fixed.
Teacher sends her kind remembrances, and I send you with my picture my dear love.
Teacher wishes me to say that she liked the photograph very much and she will see about having some when we return.
Dr. Greer read so slowly, that my teacher could tell me every word.
I thought very much about the sad news when teacher went to the doctor's; she was not here at dinner and I missed her.'
I understand opportunities were limited a century ago but surely she could have been a school teacher or office clerk or something above a brothel prostitute.
But he made a system of his own by combining the teaching of his master with parts of the doctrines of others, and with mysticism imbibed from the great teacher Ghazali.
He became teacher of science successively at the French gymnasium in Berlin, and at the military academy, and on the foundation of the university of Berlin in 1810 he was chosen professor of physics.
In 1854 he became a teacher at a Berlin public school, but this did not interrupt his biblical studies.
SIR DAVID BREWSTER (1781-1868), Scottish natural philosopher, was born on the 11th of December 1781 at Jedburgh, where his father, a teacher of high reputation, was rector of the grammar school.
To be judged fairly, Bentham must be judged as a teacher of the principles of legislation.
He seems to have been an admirable teacher, with a great power of lucid exposition.
But, when the zeal of Epiphanius was kindled against him, when Jerome, alarmed about his own reputation, and in defiance of his past attitude, turned against his once honoured teacher, and Theophilus, patriarch of Alexandria, found it prudent, for political reasons, and out of consideration for the uneducated monks, to condemn Origen - then his authority received a shock from which it never recovered.
8), the distinctive badge of the wandering professional teacher of philosophy, and went about from place to place discussing the truths of Christianity in the hope of bringing educated Pagans, as he himself had been brought, through philosophy to Christ.
The Liber de compositione alchemiae, which professes to be by Morienus - perhaps the same as the Marianus who was the teacher of Khalid - was translated by Robertus Castrensis, who states that he finished the work in 1182, and speaks as if he were making a revelation - " Quid sit alchemia nondum cognovit vestra Latinitas."
All such monuments hitherto discovered in India were put up in honour of some religious teacher, not in memory of royal persons, generous benefactors, politicans, or soldiers or private persons, however distinguished.
Virchow as his teacher in pathology.
He then went into the house, and waited while the teacher read it.
At first, when my teacher told me about a new thing I asked very few questions.
I thought it strange that my teacher could not show me love.
My teacher and I played it for hours at a time.
Teacher sends her love too.
The exiles: as patriot and ethical teacher he deplored alike the political blindness of the Jerusalem government (King Zedekiah revolted in 588) and the immorality and religious superficiality and apostasy of the people.
He was a school teacher in his native state, served during the War of 1812 in the Kentucky militia, and then settled in Missouri, where he worked as a schoolmaster and practised law.
"Well, then," said the teacher, "you may take your slate and go out behind the schoolhouse for half an hour.
When I came home teacher read to me "The School-boy," for it is not in our print.
But the pupil soon found his teacher to be but a charlatan, and betook himself, aided by commentaries, to master logic, geometry and the Almagest.
"Henry Longfellow," said the teacher, "why have you not written?"
He soon learned all that his teacher could teach; for he was bright and quick, and had a good memory.
Teacher and all of your friends send you their love.
The teacher was surprised and pleased.
Despite the fact that with the exception of the period of the "Great Awakening" (1740-1742), when he preached as an itinerant in several neighbouring colonies, his active labours were confined to his own parish, his influence on the religious thought of his time in America was probably surpassed only by that of his old friend and teacher Jonathan Edwards.
I was in love with Boris, with my teacher, and with Denisov, but this is quite different.